No, Liz Cheney is not a traitor in the sense that Jane Fonda provided aid and comfort to an enemy of America during a time of war. Liz Cheney is an unprincipled fool who supported an unconstitutional and vicious impeachment farce ginned up by truly evil people who always place the Democratic Party before the good of the nation. Cheney now licks the boots of bastards who wanted her father tried as a war criminal. Does she support bringing criminal charges against Hillary for fabricating the Russia hoax? Where is Bernie on that little matter? I once was a big fan of Bernie Goldberg. I learned the error of my ways.
There might be a level of personal animus here, because of what Trump said about the late Dick Cheney, Liz Cheney's husband and defense secretary under Bush Jr. and proponent of the 2003 Iraq war.
At the time, Trump said little about the war, but later made it clear (perhaps conveniently) that he was opposed to it and thought it was a really bad idea. So far, fine. But Trump also used inflammatory rhetoric, in that way only he can do, to accuse Dick Cheney of being a monstrous war criminal and so on, sounding (as the "alt/paleo right" often does) like the far left. This should not go unnoticed.
That said, Liz Cheney's deserves our approbation, even if you don't agree with her tack. I would not have voted to impeach Trump the second time, although a vote of censure was certainly in order. (Trump definitely should not have been impeached the first time, given what we now know about Ukraine and Hunter Biden, as well as the non-existence of any Russia-Trump connection -- that impeachment revealed much of the Democratic leadership as sociopathic.) Liz Cheney is a real conservative from the Cold War Buckley-Goldwater-Reagan-Thatcher era, of a type that unfortunately seems to be fading into history -- to be fully replaced soon by rabid populists/isolationists who carry around the complete speeches of Victor Orban as bedtime reading.
The larger problem with Trump is his extreme narcissism. The key analyst who predicted Trump would have a hard time voluntarily relinquishing power was Sam Vaknin, the Israeli psychologist who convincingly and earlier demonstrated that Obama is also a narcissist. Trump's case is just more blatant and dangerous. Vaknin asks a question very different from the usual partisan barking, which is why have so many American voters turned their backs on conventional parties and politicians and embraced such figures? It can't be just that they're "outsiders" (not really true in Obama's case, although it is in Trump's).
Here's a short video from Vaknin about Trump and other politicians. Vaknin doesn't speak publicly often, so listen when he does:
What about the impeachment votes? Did they reflect Cheney's political and personal animosity or were they heroic? Trump wasn't a fan of her war monger father. And in Ukraine, didn't some of the corruption in Ukraine deserve investigation (and may still deserve investigation)? Is the January 6th committee investigating what happened on January 6th, or is it narrowly focused on Trump's failings, which were many? Mindless hatred of Trump is not heroic. War mongering Republican leaders (she is a charter member) are losing the argument with their base for mindless wars and military operations. We send kids off to war or put people in harm's way to deal with 30 years of failed foreign and energy policy.
I used to be a fan Bernie, but your hatred of Trump has resulted in your becoming what you decry - a blind, biased idealogue. The star chamber event known as the January 6 hearings is well orchestrated and only allows testimony that follows a pre-approved narrative. Had Jordan and Banks been allowed by Pelosi to be part of the committee, the hearings may - emphasize may - have some semblance of balance. Instead, she only allowed Cheney and Kinzinger who have been never Trumpers from the start and fully support a very biased and one-side hearing. That you refuse to acknowledge how biased the hearings are makes you the one swallowing the lie. For the record, I don't like Trump, never have and never understood his appeal. That being said, I would support him again given his record of accomplishment - something you again fail to fully acknowledge. You hate Trump for his poor behavior - which I can understand to some degree, but if you are going to hold Trump accountable for his poor behavior - and I am talking pre 1/6 - then why don't you take a closer look at the Biden crime family and Joe's history of plagiarism, lies, flip-flops, and dealings with the Ukraine, Russia, China, along with hist brother's and Hunters entanglements with those governments. As for Cheney, hugging supposedly brave witnesses for peddling preposterous hearsay evidence - you know, Trump trying to grab the wheel of his limo - speaks volumes to her dishonesty. That such testimony is even allowed with no cross examination is simply one illustration of literally hundreds that show how biased this hearing is. Why don't you to a real deep dive and look at questions not being asked and evidence not being allowed to be presented?
What R U smoking Bernie? Put the smokables down buddy. DC Police found 2 pipe bombs at the Capital 04JAN20. POTUS Trump and his administration called and warned Fancy Pants, and warned both SGTs AT ARMS in House AND Senate. Then, POTUS Trump offered National Guard support AND fencing around Capital. Fancy Pants REFUSED. Then POTUS Trump pleaded with protesters "TO BE PEACEFUL!" So kindly GoFondleYourself! Udummy. Disappointed in you
If she said the fix was in - she should have a myriad of evidence created by usurped State voting laws. And yes, sticking up for daddy dearest is obvious here too. The aggregated poll numbers are what they are for a reason.
Bernie, I might have agreed with you on Liz Cheney until her comment on DeSantis. DeSantis isn't an election denier and he isn't a Trump sycophant. But it would be just so difficult for her to support him because he's too much like Trump, whatever that means. Don't know what kind of Republican Liz would support but she'll be done in a couple of months so I guess I don't care. And the ad her father put out was pretty cringe worthy. Dick never saw a war he didn't like so I'm not just so sure on who is dangerous and who isn't.
Nailed it again Bernie! Lots of moral contortions happening over your truth bombs.
Look out below!
No, Liz Cheney is not a traitor in the sense that Jane Fonda provided aid and comfort to an enemy of America during a time of war. Liz Cheney is an unprincipled fool who supported an unconstitutional and vicious impeachment farce ginned up by truly evil people who always place the Democratic Party before the good of the nation. Cheney now licks the boots of bastards who wanted her father tried as a war criminal. Does she support bringing criminal charges against Hillary for fabricating the Russia hoax? Where is Bernie on that little matter? I once was a big fan of Bernie Goldberg. I learned the error of my ways.
There might be a level of personal animus here, because of what Trump said about the late Dick Cheney, Liz Cheney's husband and defense secretary under Bush Jr. and proponent of the 2003 Iraq war.
At the time, Trump said little about the war, but later made it clear (perhaps conveniently) that he was opposed to it and thought it was a really bad idea. So far, fine. But Trump also used inflammatory rhetoric, in that way only he can do, to accuse Dick Cheney of being a monstrous war criminal and so on, sounding (as the "alt/paleo right" often does) like the far left. This should not go unnoticed.
That said, Liz Cheney's deserves our approbation, even if you don't agree with her tack. I would not have voted to impeach Trump the second time, although a vote of censure was certainly in order. (Trump definitely should not have been impeached the first time, given what we now know about Ukraine and Hunter Biden, as well as the non-existence of any Russia-Trump connection -- that impeachment revealed much of the Democratic leadership as sociopathic.) Liz Cheney is a real conservative from the Cold War Buckley-Goldwater-Reagan-Thatcher era, of a type that unfortunately seems to be fading into history -- to be fully replaced soon by rabid populists/isolationists who carry around the complete speeches of Victor Orban as bedtime reading.
The larger problem with Trump is his extreme narcissism. The key analyst who predicted Trump would have a hard time voluntarily relinquishing power was Sam Vaknin, the Israeli psychologist who convincingly and earlier demonstrated that Obama is also a narcissist. Trump's case is just more blatant and dangerous. Vaknin asks a question very different from the usual partisan barking, which is why have so many American voters turned their backs on conventional parties and politicians and embraced such figures? It can't be just that they're "outsiders" (not really true in Obama's case, although it is in Trump's).
Here's a short video from Vaknin about Trump and other politicians. Vaknin doesn't speak publicly often, so listen when he does:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpzNLVLXHt0
About election integrity and theft, Bari Weiss had a very insightful podcast episode recently:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7FaVBkNxgkJSTIQWth7OHZ?si=JBfcY7uQSxqedj4yLwQqkQ
What about the impeachment votes? Did they reflect Cheney's political and personal animosity or were they heroic? Trump wasn't a fan of her war monger father. And in Ukraine, didn't some of the corruption in Ukraine deserve investigation (and may still deserve investigation)? Is the January 6th committee investigating what happened on January 6th, or is it narrowly focused on Trump's failings, which were many? Mindless hatred of Trump is not heroic. War mongering Republican leaders (she is a charter member) are losing the argument with their base for mindless wars and military operations. We send kids off to war or put people in harm's way to deal with 30 years of failed foreign and energy policy.
I used to be a fan Bernie, but your hatred of Trump has resulted in your becoming what you decry - a blind, biased idealogue. The star chamber event known as the January 6 hearings is well orchestrated and only allows testimony that follows a pre-approved narrative. Had Jordan and Banks been allowed by Pelosi to be part of the committee, the hearings may - emphasize may - have some semblance of balance. Instead, she only allowed Cheney and Kinzinger who have been never Trumpers from the start and fully support a very biased and one-side hearing. That you refuse to acknowledge how biased the hearings are makes you the one swallowing the lie. For the record, I don't like Trump, never have and never understood his appeal. That being said, I would support him again given his record of accomplishment - something you again fail to fully acknowledge. You hate Trump for his poor behavior - which I can understand to some degree, but if you are going to hold Trump accountable for his poor behavior - and I am talking pre 1/6 - then why don't you take a closer look at the Biden crime family and Joe's history of plagiarism, lies, flip-flops, and dealings with the Ukraine, Russia, China, along with hist brother's and Hunters entanglements with those governments. As for Cheney, hugging supposedly brave witnesses for peddling preposterous hearsay evidence - you know, Trump trying to grab the wheel of his limo - speaks volumes to her dishonesty. That such testimony is even allowed with no cross examination is simply one illustration of literally hundreds that show how biased this hearing is. Why don't you to a real deep dive and look at questions not being asked and evidence not being allowed to be presented?
What R U smoking Bernie? Put the smokables down buddy. DC Police found 2 pipe bombs at the Capital 04JAN20. POTUS Trump and his administration called and warned Fancy Pants, and warned both SGTs AT ARMS in House AND Senate. Then, POTUS Trump offered National Guard support AND fencing around Capital. Fancy Pants REFUSED. Then POTUS Trump pleaded with protesters "TO BE PEACEFUL!" So kindly GoFondleYourself! Udummy. Disappointed in you
If she said the fix was in - she should have a myriad of evidence created by usurped State voting laws. And yes, sticking up for daddy dearest is obvious here too. The aggregated poll numbers are what they are for a reason.
Bernie, I might have agreed with you on Liz Cheney until her comment on DeSantis. DeSantis isn't an election denier and he isn't a Trump sycophant. But it would be just so difficult for her to support him because he's too much like Trump, whatever that means. Don't know what kind of Republican Liz would support but she'll be done in a couple of months so I guess I don't care. And the ad her father put out was pretty cringe worthy. Dick never saw a war he didn't like so I'm not just so sure on who is dangerous and who isn't.